In that article Mr Leitch provides distorted depictions of a comment about two recent murder cases involving autistics that I made on this site and that were made on the Age of Autism site. Mr Leitch clearly did not understand the point of my comment in that specific instance, or generally, about autism associated violence or he intentionally distorts those views. I have never suggested that there is a correlation between autism and murder. In my comment I pointed out that two autistic men were involved in murder charges. I also pointed out that competency hearings would likely be held. What I have stated on several occasions is that some autistic persons, including my severely autistic son, commit acts of violence. I have also stated that they do not necessarily do so with any intent to cause harm.
In the criminal law context of a murder charge, even where the physical acts causing death are found to have been committed by an accused they may have lacked the necessary competency or intent to kill or otherwise cause physical harm. Judging by a study he cites Mr. Leitch appears to be unaware that a crime in most jurisdictions, requires both a prohibited act, an actus reus, and a finding of intent, mens rea , which will, in some cases, require a finding of legal competency. Mr. Leitch cites a study that purportedly showed that:
"the authors looked at rates of criminality amongst those with a Pervasive Developmental Disability (subgrouped to ‘childhood autism’, atypical autism and AS) . In the childhood autism group (which corresponds to severe/kanners/etc) 0.9% had a conviction as adults. In the control group, the rate was 18.9%. For atypical autism the conviction rate was 8.1%. The control group was 14.7%. For AS, the rate was 18.4% and the control group was 19.6%.
So, in each subgroup of PDD the authors looked at, the rate of criminal conviction was lower than controls. For the type of autism that Doherty and AoA are talking about less than 1% had a conviction compared to 18.9%. I think its clear that if this paper is accurate then we’re hardly going to be overrun with autistic killers."
What is interesting is that for the most severely autistic, those with autistic disorder, which (unlike Aspergers Syndrome, "AS", can include people with intellectual or cognitive impairment) only 0.9% had a criminal conviction as adults. That statistic is entirely consistent with what I have always said. While autistic persons can commit acts of violence, including against themselves, they do not always have the intent or capacity to form the intent, to cause harm. Without such capacity to form legal intent criminal convictions would, and should be, extremely rare as the study cited by Mr. Leitch indicates.
In the case of the two recent murder charges involving two severely autistic men I would not be surprised at all if the courts involved find that the young men involved lacked the capacity to form the intent to commit murder. I expect that they will probably be found not criminally responsible or legally competent to stand trial.
Mr. Leitch would have the world believe that because criminal convictions do not ensue that violent acts committed are not associated with the persons autism disorders. He is wrong, simply wrong. I love my son dearly but sometimes he hurts himself by biting himself or banging his head on a wall. Sometimes he pulls his mother's hair or pinches his dad's face. I do not believe for a second that he is trying to cause harm, there is no intent, his behavior most definitely arises from his autistic disorder.
As an autism advocate in New Brunswick, and as a lawyer, I have met parents whose autistic children also acted with some violence without having any intent to cause harm. In today's local newspaper the Fredericton Daily Gleaner is a report of an autistic man and his family's struggle to find services for him which ultimately led to him residing in the Spurwink facility in the State of Maine. The family, who I know personally, could no longer care for their autistic son, who they love dearly, after a violent outburst at home:
The man was placed in a provincial residence on a part-time basis. He later became a permanent, full-time resident after the man's mother was injured during an outburst at his parents' home.
After a couple of months, it was determined the man's needs exceeded the facility's capacity to care for him. In early 2002, he was placed in the Centracare psychiatric facility in Saint John.
Harold, you know you are doing something right when people in positions of influence start to vilify you. The neurodiversity cracks are showing. Keep on talking, the truth will out and all the families and children with autism will benefit.
ReplyDeleteAutism and behaviour... a topic I could go on for days about unfortunately.
ReplyDeleteI find the ND crowd doesn't want to address the big topics b/c it takes the shine off the "joys" of autism. They'd rather work at banning words and shun those with issues.
Violent Autism behaviour is common... it's one of the reason's I will never allow my youngest to be put in one of those segregated classrooms... the stories of abuse on teachers and EA's are frightening and he doesn't ever need to be with those "autistics".
Harold, you know you are doing something right when people in positions of influence start to vilify you
ReplyDeleteNeurodiversity proponents have positions of influence. That's about the funniest thing I have ever heard.
Well, Jonathan, I am glad it's funny, but if you watch enough CBC, autism is more fun than a barrel of monkeys. I have also seen too much of this stuff all over the net, on big websites, complete with happy smiling autistics dancing into the sunset. Finally, in disability language in general, Happy happy joy joy is in...the only problem with disability is the rest of us who aren't disabled.
ReplyDeleteHi Claire, I am not sure what the CBC is, I think that is some canadian television network. I am in the United States so I have never seen it. They sure don't have any influence here as far as I can tell, hardly anyone interested in autism has even heard of them. If they have influence in Canada I am sorry to hear that. It was Kevin who reacted to harold, he is a blogger who I don't think has much influence at all, nor his minions.
ReplyDeleteI am sorry Jonathan, you just hit a nerve for me. Neurodiversity, full inclusion and social models of disability have tremendous influence and have killed my daughter's opportunity to attend school where I live...and that's just one example. It's easier to see the bright side of disability and not deal with the harsh realities. I know parents here are collapsing under the weight and giving their kids up because they can't handle them. I suspected, though,that you were referring to that particular blogger. I actually do have a well developed sense of humour...caught me on an off day!
ReplyDeleteND movement is very small but very vocal. What they spout is music to the ears of governments and school boards. If our kids are actually geniuses and just "different" why help them? they are just being themselves!
ReplyDeletewhat gets me is how people like Leitch and others on autismhub, etc have so much time on their hands. Some of those people claim t be educating their children at home and loving their children, how could they find the time to do so when it seems their lives are spent on the internet.
I have read some of what they say, and their bitterness is very palpable. Very very unhappy people. Misery loves company which is why they stick together.
Autism is a new medical keyword that i have heard .I tried to understand how is it an example of neurodiversity denial ?Please if some one can explain me .
ReplyDeleteI'm convinced that the ND movement has this attitude about their kids to mask the pain they really feel. Denial is easier than getting off their asses and actually stop talking about themselves long enough (Estee Klar comes to mind here) to effectively help the kid. If they would just get the hell out of denial and get their kids quality intervention maybe they wouldn't look so ridiculous.
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