tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33052404.post9207342043901810132..comments2024-02-13T21:31:57.980-04:00Comments on Facing Autism in New Brunswick: Vaccine Autism War: Roy R. Grinker Ph. D. Omits Inconvenient Names in Book Review/DiatribeAnonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05838571980003579163noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33052404.post-10114154114072989042011-03-04T01:42:11.282-04:002011-03-04T01:42:11.282-04:00Chemistry professor Dr. Boyd E. Haley, PhD, once t...Chemistry professor Dr. Boyd E. Haley, PhD, once told me that talking with people who don't want to understand mercury toxicity is like having the same argument over and over with the town drunk.<br /><br />Give Kev and Ken a bottle of Old Crow and let them toddle off and mumble to themselves.nhokkanenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01827068765154525878noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33052404.post-16907018401244769492011-03-03T23:54:15.866-04:002011-03-03T23:54:15.866-04:00Isaac Newton believed that women could give birth ...Isaac Newton believed that women could give birth to cats. I believe the physicist John Hagelin, who also was a presidential candidate of the Natural Law Party ascribed to yogic flying. Even people with strong scientific backgrounds can be mistaken.<br /><br />The problem is that based on epidemiological studies one cannot state absolutes. This gives people wiggle room and they use this to insist the link between vaccines and autism has not been disproven. This is despite the large preponderance of evidence against such a link. <br /><br />On the other hand we often say we are certain when we don't know something to be absolutely true. The converse is so highly improbable, it is dismissed.<br /><br />This is where things stand on the autism/vaccine link. You can certainly doubt whether the link has been disproven, but is that a reasonable doubt?<br /><br />I know you don't blame immunizations for Connor's condition.ian MacGregornoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33052404.post-27247192253827934752011-03-03T14:14:33.836-04:002011-03-03T14:14:33.836-04:00Kev thank you for acknowledging that the persons I...Kev thank you for acknowledging that the persons I mentioned have a science background. That is the point of my comment. There are scientists, not just celebrities, who have called for more vaccine autism research. Cultural anthropology Professor Grinker presented a misleading picture by indicating that it is just celebrities who are providing information to ignorant unwashed parents. <br /><br />I am not sure how many ways I can say this to you ... Conor has received ALL recommended vaccines and I have not attributed his autistic disorder to vaccines. I do not rule out the possibility that vaccines may have impacted him pre-birth. That is the most important development period it is also the environment that is mentioned as requiring more study for the impact of events on the fetus including, but not limited to, vaccine ingredients given to expecting women that cross the placenta.<br /><br />Have a good day Kev.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05838571980003579163noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33052404.post-46534264443512499832011-03-03T12:44:34.696-04:002011-03-03T12:44:34.696-04:00ANB you miss the point of my comment. Professor Gr...ANB you miss the point of my comment. Professor Grinker attributes concerns over vaccine safety and autism to celebrities and ignorant, inompetent parents. The names I cited, your mud slinging notwithstanding, are very intelligent, informed professionals who have acknowledged that more research needs to be done on vaccine autism issues. There are more and you know it. Dr. Julie Gerberding of the CDC now with Merck has said that a comparative study of d autism rates in existing vaccinated and unvaccinated populations could and should be done. It was the IACC that included the suggestion of more autism vaccine research in its 2009 proposal. <br /><br />That is my position ... an open minded position. You are ideologically entrenched in the camp that says that science has determined all vaccine autism issues. If that were so the current onslaught of personal attacks on those who question vaccine safety would be unnecessary.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05838571980003579163noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33052404.post-88941512903788279372011-03-03T12:32:38.023-04:002011-03-03T12:32:38.023-04:00Harold,
If Prof. Grinker included the names of al...Harold,<br /><br />If Prof. Grinker included the names of all the scientists who think that the possible vaccine autism links have been explored and ruled out, and would minimize the need to conduct research to explore possible connections, then his review would be hundreds, if not thousands of pages long. That would be real balance, as opposed to the false balance that you seek.<br /><br />Besides that, Dr. Healy is a person who also lobbied to minimize the dangers of second hand smoke. She's shown her willingness to be co-opted by who ever pays her.<br /><br />Jon Poling's conflict of interest is well known, since he had a daughter that benefited from the vaccine injury program in the US. Not to mention that he attracted the article title <i>The appalling Poling Saga</i> from a journal editor for failing to disclose that conflict of interest.<br /><br />Dr. Dawson needs to walk a fine line between science and being the head of an org where the daughter of the founders is a strident anti-vaxer. She doesn't want to alienate those people, and so chooses her words carefully.<br /><br />That's all you have, Harold.AutismNewsBeathttp://autismnewsbeat.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33052404.post-62155121099986965902011-03-03T11:26:22.224-04:002011-03-03T11:26:22.224-04:00For many Internet users, a blogger's opinion a...<i>For many Internet users, a blogger's opinion and a peer-reviewed scientific article may have equal weight.</i><br /><br />Perhaps slightly off topic, but I don't agree that a blogger's opinion and some peer-approved journal articles have equal weight.<br /><br />I believe my opinion as a blogger that autism is a harmful horrific disease that needs a cure has far more weight than Morton Gernsbacher's Michelle Dawson's and Laurent Mottron's peer reviewed and approved article "Autism:common heritable but not harmful" in which they state that autism is a harmless condition.jonathanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14972394536850151087noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33052404.post-67731945256144320372011-03-03T11:13:07.381-04:002011-03-03T11:13:07.381-04:00Kev
Thank you for your comments Kev. Your positi...Kev<br /><br />Thank you for your comments Kev. Your position that Dr. Healey, a former NIH director, and Dr. Poling a Neurologist and professor at a Medical College, have no science background is amusing. You also skipped over the fact that in 2009 the IACC had placed further vaccine autism research on the strategic plan.<br /><br />I place quotes on a term to emphasize the term not as a "scare quote" which I have never heard of before. <br /><br />I am not anti-vaccine. I do not attribute my son's autism to vaccines. Both of my sons have received all recommended vaccines. I even got the H1N1 even though I had serious doubts about the efficacy of the vaccine or need for me to do so. As a faithful reader of this blog you already know these things.<br /><br />I am opposed to the attempts to intimidate those who question vaccine safety and those who call for more vaccine autism research. Science is not "closed" (No intent to scare you with the quotation marks Kev). I do believe there is a need for more research on the impact on the developing fetus of all vaccine ingredients injected into pregnant women, including possible neurological damage ... including yes autism.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05838571980003579163noreply@blogger.com