tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33052404.post7069873151920405937..comments2024-02-13T21:31:57.980-04:00Comments on Facing Autism in New Brunswick: Autism Change.org and Estee Klar Misrepresent Canada's Autism ClimateAnonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05838571980003579163noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33052404.post-36327091832449737212009-02-16T04:54:00.000-04:002009-02-16T04:54:00.000-04:00SaraGood luck with your fight for ABA coverage in ...Sara<BR/><BR/>Good luck with your fight for ABA coverage in the US.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05838571980003579163noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33052404.post-30107193437794901842009-02-16T04:05:00.000-04:002009-02-16T04:05:00.000-04:00ABA brought my son out of his shell. He always wor...ABA brought my son out of his shell. He always worked best with me in that style. I never knew it was called ABA or Verbal Behavior. it was just how H learned best. I always say that ABA/VB has been a god send. It just works so well for us. <BR/><BR/>Maybe some people have had bad experiences because the people doing the therapy were not trained correctly. <BR/><BR/>As for this topic with autism not being a medical condition ... that is like saying that schizophrenia is not a medical condition. It is a neurological disorder. WE in the USA are fighting to get this more recognized so that we can get it treated as such with medical insurance. <BR/><BR/>this drives me bonkers to know that people are trying to say it is not.Sarahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08854616738196338619noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33052404.post-75424966719061805142009-02-15T16:23:00.000-04:002009-02-15T16:23:00.000-04:00Estee Klar seems to go off on a tangent on the top...Estee Klar seems to go off on a tangent on the topic of ABA evidence effective based interventions.Ideologies are fine,until it comes time to implement them in our every day life.This is where she should make a reality check.Has Estee come up with another more better proven intervention that the "rest" of us have not yet heard of? The last time I checked nobody was trying to change the identity, personality or individuality of any child with autism.Supporting them to a higher level of progression to be able to cope with life's every day social and communicative challenges, is the key point.If this entails implementing ABA intervention, to support this argument,well then be it. Estee Klar will just have to get over it,and face the music to the tune of implementing positive ,effective and progressive treatments: such as ABA.shakingsystemhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12081590908657431618noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33052404.post-38439068402266913732009-02-13T17:44:00.000-04:002009-02-13T17:44:00.000-04:00The Ontario IEP besides sections for accommodation...The Ontario IEP besides sections for accommodation or modification of programming, has sections for Behavioural, Social and Communication. Starting this term they are to have only one MEASURABLE goal in each. All other goals may be worked on my the teacher but only the one is to be MEASURED.<BR/><BR/>Measuring falls under the Provinces PPM 140. Whether Estee likes it or not.. her son is getting ABA.<BR/><BR/>http://www.edu.gov.on.ca/extra/eng/ppm/140.html<BR/><BR/>INCORPORATING METHODS OF APPLIED BEHAVIOUR ANALYSIS (ABA) INTO PROGRAMS FOR STUDENTS WITH AUTISM SPECTRUM DISORDERS (ASD)<BR/><BR/>It's not the never-ending, sitting at a table rote learning of the Children's Hospital programs in this Province. That I would NEVER have agreed to.<BR/><BR/>But it uses the concepts of ABA to help teach. And the use of measuring data to see if it's working or not. As I was told they aren't going to measure daily, but randomly. Therefore, they know if the goal is attainable or not. If not, can they meet that goal or do they need to find another goal to reach.<BR/><BR/>S.farmwifetwohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02680758336779501712noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33052404.post-19384000291118493042009-02-13T17:16:00.000-04:002009-02-13T17:16:00.000-04:00I'm happy my younger son is no longer subjected to...I'm happy my younger son is no longer subjected to TVCC's IBI/ABA program. That... was cruel.. there is no excuse for a child to sit 5+ hours at a day and be trained like Pavlov's dog.<BR/><BR/>I am happy that under the Ontario School System's PPM 140, the use of ABA principals has allowed for an appropriate token style program to be put in place for my elder son to teach him how to meet classroom expectations in behaviour, socialization and school work completion. He is thriving, keeping up with his peers both socially and accademically, now that he can cope in a busy Gr 4 classroom.<BR/><BR/>Although both call themselves ABA, they are not the same program.<BR/><BR/>When the Neurodiverse crowd actually advocates for education for children with Autism... I will believe in their message. Allowing someone to "evolve" and expect society to change for them.... won't happen. Also, why would my children want to be second class citizens when they can become individuals with their own lives to live.<BR/><BR/>S.farmwifetwohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02680758336779501712noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33052404.post-70715711524794724872009-02-13T11:11:00.000-04:002009-02-13T11:11:00.000-04:00"ABA is NOT imposed, it is sought after by parents..."ABA is NOT imposed, it is sought after by parents who want to help their autistic children. The waiting lists exist because so many parents want ABA for their children. Such lists are powerful evidence to refute Ms Klar's "notion" that ABA is imposed." <BR/><BR/>Great point. I don't understand how her son would be subjugated to ABA. Don't apply for services if you don't want them. Want something else? Find some evidence for it, and request that therapy to be offered in addition to ABA services. <BR/><BR/>Guess Mrs. Klar never hugs her child after he/she does something that makes her proud. Guess she never tells her child, "You did great!" when her child excels at some homework. Guess she doesn't beleive her child should communicate when he/she wants a drink or something to eat. Heaven forbid her child be SUBJUGATED to positive reinforcement.KeithABAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15227409436528893233noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33052404.post-36619632932940363672009-02-12T10:34:00.000-04:002009-02-12T10:34:00.000-04:00BarryI have no idea what ever possessed Change.org...Barry<BR/><BR/>I have no idea what ever possessed Change.org to embrace such a regressive ideology, one which seeks to prevent autistic children from receiving effective evidence based interventions. Heaven forbid that a full evidence based, safe, cure might someday be found.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05838571980003579163noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33052404.post-58419232710986050992009-02-12T10:16:00.000-04:002009-02-12T10:16:00.000-04:00ClaireI agree that it is nonsense. Parents don't s...Claire<BR/><BR/>I agree that it is nonsense. Parents don't seek autism diagnoses for their children for the fun of it. I knew little about autism before Conor's diagnosis 11 years ago and I never suspected autism. We just sought medical attention, as concerned parents,because of some obvious developmental deficits. Those deficits are real, not socially imposed.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05838571980003579163noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33052404.post-88479603830242058212009-02-12T10:13:00.000-04:002009-02-12T10:13:00.000-04:00Well Estee, IF I have wrongfully assumed something...Well Estee, IF I have wrongfully assumed something please point it out and I will provide a correction/retraction.<BR/><BR/>Subjugated to ABA? An autism intervention found effective by decades of studies and by such agencies as the AAP, the MADSEC Autism Task Force, the NY State Department of Health, the US Surgeon General and the Association for Science in Autism Treatment? <BR/><BR/>I don't know how much you actually know about ABA but my son enjoys ABA therapy and looks forward to it at home and in school.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05838571980003579163noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33052404.post-33685178828807605922009-02-12T09:53:00.000-04:002009-02-12T09:53:00.000-04:00Hi Harold,The only change change.org effectively a...Hi Harold,<BR/><BR/>The only change change.org effectively advocates is to turn back the clock on proven science and let those that need ABA again become institutionalized and excluded from society. I think this fits their agenda of excluding the more sever end of the scale afflicted individuals. Why such an agenda exists is beyond my understanding. I think they do not want to be associated with those that truly need the help – gee, I wonder if any of them “just” drive trains.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33052404.post-36882964667680399682009-02-12T09:13:00.000-04:002009-02-12T09:13:00.000-04:00Isn't it fun to assume what other people's experie...Isn't it fun to assume what other people's experiences are, Harold?<BR/><BR/>I am happy my son Adam does not have to be subjugated to ABA therapy. <BR/><BR/>I believe that our children deserve better services than this.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33052404.post-11024579383615177162009-02-12T08:31:00.000-04:002009-02-12T08:31:00.000-04:00"Instead a social model of autism is put forward, ..."Instead a social model of autism is put forward, one which views problems encountered by persons with autistic personalities as the result of society's failure to accommodate autistic personalities and ways of thinking." When I first started research, I thought that this was an issue peculiar to autism...but it's in the general "disability" material as well...I really have trouble with how someone can come up with this sort of nonsense...it damages alot of good work finally being done. I wonder how/why this type of thinking has arisen. It would make a good MA topic.Clairehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13070297384173508509noreply@blogger.com